------------------------------------------------------------------------- Addendum URL: http://www.adden.tr.cx/ Issue# 68 : Life would be dull without me 17th June 2002 Author: Steak ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This was a rather interesting argument that I had with a very intent Eminem fan on the winamp forums, I had quite a bit of fun and I think that what I wrote is worth something, even just to show my feelings on old Mr. Mathers If you haven’t already guessed, I am [Steak] and our resident homie-g is [Elementaluk] Other peoples responses have been omitted from the post simply because it wouldn't make that much sense if I left them in. If you wish to see what other people wrote the URL of the thread is http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=89131 --------- Commence --- [Elementaluk] Yo Slim's new album ain't got that copy protect sh*t on it cause i bought it on monday and it went on my computer no problem. I hate the arses that copy or download eminem's album because i think he's the only music artist that deserves every penny for his music but as for all the pop lovers download music as much as you can try not to pay for it as cardboard cut out stars dont deserve sh*t. yo if u ain't bought Eminem's album yet u gotta get it...there ain't 1 song on it that is sh*t...but u gotta expect that from Eminem now so far he hasn't released a album that sucks. -Vince P.S. i got it on monday cause it came out in the UK on monday [Steak] Well the old Eminem argument, just had to stick in my 2c Personally I can’t see what the big deal is with him, in my view he’s just a guy that’s trying to get his records sold to adolescent teenagers that are trying to rebel against something that they can’t find. You can tell this by the forums over at eminem.com one Moby forumer said that “the shit of the internet go over there to take a dump” and I couldn’t agree more, go and take a look at the quality of posts there compared to the ones here at winamp.com (that is if you can bare to get passed all the forced “looped beats” ) And I wouldn’t classify his sounds as music; real music comes from the greats like Beethoven, Mozart and Rossini, to the (relatively) modern greats like Bob Dylan, Eric Clapton, Moby, Sting and the Police. That music sounds nice, is easy to listen to, is un-offensive, can be beautiful and can inspire all the best feelings in someone, music is supposed to sooth the savage beast, not enrage it. And I don’t care if some little whining teenager decides that he is going to try and rebel against me and tell me to stick my Beethoven where the sun don’t shine, or put's 's next to thier names, because I know that you need some intelligence to appreciate music like that, and no little brat is going to change my mind on that issue. To quote Phisherman in a really old topic on the winamp forums “any average loser can set up a drum loop and start rhyming and make tons of Money.” And it’s true, anyone can swear into a microphone as well, hell I could do it and get a lot of people pissed off but I don’t want to, I would prefer to express myself in more mature and constructive ways, if we don’t do this society will fall in around us. Yo. And it is true, Eminem’s sounds aren’t really pop, it doesn’t have that whiney ultra-sonic sound to it (well in some of it, it does but in most, not) it’s just made the same way, i.e. synthesised manufactured backing beats and a song that the leading ‘artist’ didn’t write. I guess it all comes down to taste in the end, but if I want to hear crap I’ll turn the volume up on my toilet [Elementaluk] quote: ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Personally I can’t see what the big deal is with him, in my view he’s just a guy that’s trying to get his records sold to adolescent teenagers that are trying to rebel against something that they can’t find. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- kinda agree apart from the rebel part...teenagers aren't tryin to rebel, teenagers are tryin to see how fast they can get drunk or how many times they can get there hole, we ain't tryin to rebel against anything aight... that was the 60's the decade ure stuck in or 80's can't decide aight i thought that dude before was takin the piss but it seems the music world will crumble if ppl start listening to music that was made before my fuckin gran was born (Beethoven) but no i ain't gonna tell ya where ta shove it but the thought is there :P and yea sure anyone can swear into a microphone but not that many ppl can make it sound good and who would wanna listenin to you [steak] quote: ----------------------------------------------------------------------- kinda agree apart from the rebel part...teenagers aren't tryin to rebel, teenagers are tryin to see how fast they can get drunk or how many times they can get there hole, we ain't tryin to rebel against anything aight... that was the 60's the decade ure stuck in or 80's can't decide aight i thought that dude before was takin the piss but it seems the music world will crumble if ppl start listening to music that was made before my fuckin gran was born (Beethoven) but no i ain't gonna tell ya where ta shove it but the thought is there :P and yea sure anyone can swear into a microphone but not that many ppl can make it sound good and who would wanna listenin to you ----------------------------------------------------------------------- First, I am a teenager i am seventeen years old i just try not to be assosiated with the no-brain kind of people that seem to frequent at my school, i try to make what i write make sence, i try to do well at my studies and i try not to rebel against something that isn't there. And i know that teenagers are trying to rebel, they do it all the time i watch them with disgust as the take the piss out of the teacher for teaching by making multiple farmyard animal noises in class while she is trying her hardest to give them a chance in life, this doesn't seem right to me. And it sickens me to the stomach. They rebel by "tryin to see how fast they can get drunk or how many times they can get there hole" for this reason i do not drink and i do not smoke, (getting my hole tho.... thats another story ;) ) i find it below me. Alcohol is for older people who can take the time to apprechieate a good wine with a nice year and for a nice tasting drink, not just to get a buzz off and to look cool, even though you don't (when our drunk that is...) But most importantley i try to like music based on how I feel about it not what my friends feel, that means that i will listen to any kind of music that sounds good, i listen to beethoven, mozart, hewy lewis and the news, bob dylan and pink floyed from god knows when, to up-to-the-minuet-bands like moby, nine inch nails, and the prodigy. So i wouldn't say i was stuck in the eightys or the sixteys. And at one point eminem was just like every other teenager out there, a pissed off little white boy who thought he was being unfairly treated and wanted to rebel, he just recordered his shouting, and some of it ryhmed. People seem to forget this and make him into something he is not. Besides, he's so fake. quote: ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ...seems most ppl in this forum are over 40 or gay Great Software shit forum and btw i only started this thread to say how great Eminem's ablum was i didn't ask for faggit reply's from ppl over 40 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Well i'm not over forty, so that must make me a "faggit" (spelling nicked from quoted text) i can tell you i am not gay, i don't believe that there is anything wrong with being gay, i see no problems with it and i try to treat all people with the respect they deserve and i don't base my o pinions of people based on thier sexuality. I't just not what i feel i want to do. However you wern't trying to make a note about my sexuality, you were trying to offend me, so i take offence. Calling names like "gay" and "faggot" are such imiture little things that little boys do, (like the people who listen to eminem) Kolbeinn had it right when he said that "it is rooted in the desire to outwardly express homophobia" and he is deaed right, the thing that only you can no however is it can also mean the classic "closet case" homosexual....you can never tell. __________________ Regards Steak, Homepage / Ezine Addendum [Elementaluk] wooohooo CONTRAVERSY!!!! ...btw yea i'm aware Dundee is the biggest shithole in the world ...god dammit is someone gonna close this thread?? [steak] quote: ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by phisherman And Steak, stick around It'll be good to have some normal people here ^^ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks phisherman, it's nice to get some positive feedback from a moderator, seeing as I am just a lonely junior member, though I have been here for a while, just never really posted, guess I just couldn't stay away from a good Eminem argument. Though now that I look over what I wrote, some of it doesn't make that much sense, which kind of contradicts what I actually said, for that I am sorry, mental note to self: proof read And as for Elementaluk Come on, aren’t you going to reply to my post? I spent all that time writing to you, which could have been spent writing t-files, for you just to ignore me and try and piss off zootm instead....some people. quote: ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Elementaluk ...god dammit is someone gonna close this thread?? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- What’s the matter Elementaluk?, did somebody write something that you couldn't argue against? Maybe it would just be easier for you if somebody in charge took pity on you and closed the thread? Then you would not be able to respond.... Maybe... __________________ Regards Steak, Homepage / Ezine Addendum [Elementaluk] quote: ----------------------------------------------------------------------- What’s the matter Elementaluk?, did somebody write something that you couldn't argue against? Maybe it would just be easier for you if somebody in charge took pity on you and closed the thread? Then you would not be able to respond.... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- umm...no i said is someone gonna close this thread cause its STUPID! and yall are all up on homosexuality a little more than me and you's seem to be more homophobic than me. and if i could be bothered reading the other posts i still doubt I would reply to em. if u like gays good 4 u... I speak a LITTLE like i'm from the hood cause of people on the internet i've just picked it up over the past year and i listen to alot of rap music (Wu Tang, MOP, Ludacris, Jay-Z, Eminem, Dr-Dre, Snoop, Royce Da 5"9) [steak] This thread is getting boring, that’s right. So in (my) closing I wish to say a few things 1. I am no homophobic, nothing I have said even suggests that, don't even bother wasting the energy to type a argument against that. Period. 2. If you can't be bothered to read other threads how do you expect to argue against them 4. I don't care how much you talk like you are "in the hood" weather it’s a little or a lot, I just suggest you use proper English in future if you want people to understand/respect you. I am going now. __________________ Regards Steak, Homepage / Ezine Addendum ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Addendum (C) Steak June 2002 -------------------------------------------------------------------------