=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = F.U.C.K. - Fucked Up College Kids - Born Jan. 24th, 1993 - F.U.C.K. = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Hi Fundie --------- I've been involved in several religious debates, both on IRC and in "real life". With this experience, I have been able to come up with many conclusions, many of which I've written about, such as the purpose of the "God" concept, the value of fear to the Christian religion, and the necessity of all religion to satisfy the ego whether it denies it or not. Unfortunately I've also learned that open-mindedness is a virtue in today's society. While it might seem "high and mighty" of me, I tend to think that I can keep an open mind in most situations. Open-mindedness led me to my religion, which I used to make fun of quite often(Before I learned about it, of course). It seems the Christian religion itself tends to frown upon open-mindedness, unless one is to "read the Bible with an open mind". Many times people have told me this; "read it with an open mind!" I try, but sorry kids--it's just a book in my eyes, not the "Holy Word of God". Someone might throw that in my face and say "Now that's not openminded!" but alas I've given the religion quite awhile to prove itself to me, and the Bible seems more and more ridiculous each time I read it. I say just as easily ask them to read a Greek Myth with "open-mindedness". Open-mindedness is not willingness to believe, it's willingness to UNDERSTAND, to drop prejudices and learn for yourself. Once one understands, it's up to them to believe. Since faith demands they have "no other Gods" Christians tend NOT to be "openminded"(by their concept of the word) towards other religions or lack thereof. I can understand this, dogma is dogma. In fact, I often find myself thinking "HOW CAN YOU BELIEVE IN GOD!?" while a Christian might ask "HOW CAN YOU NOT BELIEVE IN GOD!?" I can accept their dogmatic nature; but it's when foolish fundies make statements with no backing that I find myself quite frustrated. Fundies[Fundamentalist Christians] tend to attack things like evolution, and to the uninformed they might seem effective. Unfortunately, evolution is not "the process of which chimps become men." Another thing they'll do is rant and rant and rant on how if there is no God we're merely the by-products of chance, matter and energy. These rants are nothing more than appeals to the ego, and they can grow quite annoying. Atheists find nothing cheap about being *A* complex product of the universe. Other silly things said are "No self-respecting scientist beliefs in evolution", "You can't prove evolution", etc. Unfortunately..evolution *is* science. Belief in evolution is like belief in friction. "You can't prove evolution" is a silly statement indeed--prove your God. "But that's faith! And science relies on faith too!" Science doesn't deal in proof or faith. "It's only a theory!" Scientific theories are not assertions; "Creationism" is. Science gathers the evidence and makes predictions. When it fails to make sense, it changes with time. Unfortunately the Bible cannot do this easily, so people end up saying things like "You take it too literally" or "That's human error". These rants can go on forever, and why shouldn't they, because anyone can have their own fucking opinion on what "Paul really meant" or whatnot. The tactics used in this type of "debate"[most utilized by FUNDIES, I'm not saying Christians in general are incapable] are nothing more than "victory by signs of frustration in the nonbeliever". If a fundie pisses you off enough, he/she might consider themself the victor. Do not allow this! Retain the upper hand! Fight stupidity with blatant, harsh, and sometimes vulgar frankness. Blasphemy also works...just to make them give you your telltale sign of victory--"I'll pray for you!" or "You're going to hell!" Here are a few examples: "Everything you've said so far is bullshit. I'd like to see you back up one, just one of your statements. Every statement you can make against evolution can be refuted in no time. I have no time for idiots like you." "If there is a God, why would he make blatantly ignorant fucks like you?" "An omnipotent, all good and all loving God cannot exist in a universe with hell. Period." "God is dead. Shut the fuck up." "Jesus was a bastard." "Rege Satanas!" "I find your Christ revolting." People might say "You only stupe to their level", but hey, when logic and reason fail, show the person exactly how stupid they are. They might consider themself a victor, but you being a true victor can both revel in your victory and in the knowledge that they believe they are victorious indeed! To answer bottomless drivel with brutal frankness is better than to say, tell them you're tired and allow them any chance of believing they fared well. Lord_H =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = Questions, Comments, Bitches, Ideas, Rants, Death Threats, Submissions = = Mail: jericho@dimensional.com (Mail is welcomed) = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = To receive new issues through mail, mail jericho@dimensional.com with = = "subscribe fuck". 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